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	<title>Comments on: Whatever happened to the Hurd? &#8211; The story of the GNU OS</title>
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		<title>By: Very cool article on the evolution of GNU/Linux and GNU/HURD &#8592; estebanrules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Very cool article on the evolution of GNU/Linux and GNU/HURD &#8592; estebanrules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 18:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I&#8217;ve been doing some more reading lately on GNU/HURD and I came across this article.  It really gives some interesting insight in to the rationale of the developers who were working on GNU in the mid-1990&#8242;s and their decision to go with Linus&#8217; kernel.  The article also delves into the &#8220;future&#8221; of HURD&#8230;or possibly lack thereof.  Time will tell. Whatever happened to the Hurd? – The story of the GNU OS  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been doing some more reading lately on GNU/HURD and I came across this article.  It really gives some interesting insight in to the rationale of the developers who were working on GNU in the mid-1990&#8242;s and their decision to go with Linus&#8217; kernel.  The article also delves into the &#8220;future&#8221; of HURD&#8230;or possibly lack thereof.  Time will tell. Whatever happened to the Hurd? – The story of the GNU OS  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bonga86</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonga86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2013 12:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great article, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great article, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Engel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Engel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 06:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This may seem like nitpicking, but mentioning that &quot;Rashid’s work [at Carnegie Mellon] had suggested that this problem was not so terribly significant after all&quot; in relation to microkernel performance problems does not tell the whole story. Performance problems were IMHO one of the reasons for the slow acceptance of Mach - this still shows today in Apple&#039;s OS X kernel, which is based on Mach 3, where for performance reason the idea of a clearly separated microkernel was given up and a hybrid kernel was developed that again ran the BSD emulation layer (among other things) in kernel space to avoid context switch overheads. People interested in this specific topic might want to read Amit Singh&#039;s excellent book &quot;Mac OS X Internals&quot; (osxbook.com).

In the context of µkernel performance, the work of Jochen Liedtke and the numerous people working on L4 should not be underestimated. For a discussion of microkernel performance, I would recommend Liedtke&#039;s paper &quot;µ-Kernels Must And Can Be Small&quot;. In this paper, he discussed why microkernels have to be small and why this in turn is required for developing a fast microkernel.

Nevertheless, thanks for the interesting story on the Hurd!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may seem like nitpicking, but mentioning that &#8220;Rashid’s work [at Carnegie Mellon] had suggested that this problem was not so terribly significant after all&#8221; in relation to microkernel performance problems does not tell the whole story. Performance problems were IMHO one of the reasons for the slow acceptance of Mach &#8211; this still shows today in Apple&#8217;s OS X kernel, which is based on Mach 3, where for performance reason the idea of a clearly separated microkernel was given up and a hybrid kernel was developed that again ran the BSD emulation layer (among other things) in kernel space to avoid context switch overheads. People interested in this specific topic might want to read Amit Singh&#8217;s excellent book &#8220;Mac OS X Internals&#8221; (osxbook.com).</p>
<p>In the context of µkernel performance, the work of Jochen Liedtke and the numerous people working on L4 should not be underestimated. For a discussion of microkernel performance, I would recommend Liedtke&#8217;s paper &#8220;µ-Kernels Must And Can Be Small&#8221;. In this paper, he discussed why microkernels have to be small and why this in turn is required for developing a fast microkernel.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, thanks for the interesting story on the Hurd!</p>
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		<title>By: dos</title>
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		<dc:creator>dos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2013 02:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DrunkButHappy please. RMS is a beast. The Dragon book is a great book.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrunkButHappy please. RMS is a beast. The Dragon book is a great book.</p>
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		<title>By: Nymphtus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nymphtus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh please. OS X is BSD-for-knobs. FreeBSD is too busy sucking up to OS X these days. OpenBSD is where it&#039;s at!! ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please. OS X is BSD-for-knobs. FreeBSD is too busy sucking up to OS X these days. OpenBSD is where it&#8217;s at!! ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Links 29/12/2012: Calculate Linux 13, Finnix 107 &#124; Techrights</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 29/12/2012: Calculate Linux 13, Finnix 107 &#124; Techrights</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Whatever happened to the Hurd? – The story of the GNU OS Work began on the Hurd, the true kernel of the GNU operating system, in May 1991, but it has yet to materialise as a production-ready kernel. Richard Hillesley tells the story… [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: DrunkButHappy</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrunkButHappy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Somebody&#039;s having too much weed today...

Listen, the Stallman/GNU defence is: &quot;oh, it was too hard [to take the Mach kernel and DO something with it&quot;. And yet, Apple took it and - together with the FreeBSD userland stuff - made the best Unix out there for the end user.

It&#039;s clear to me Stallman did not have the chops for his lofty goals. When GNU wrote GCC, the standard book was the Dragon book. ANYONE, today, can probably write the eraly GNU stuff.

And Linux is the OS, it&#039;s not GNU. HEre I&#039;ll prove it: even before LLVM came along, I saw people use other compilers (Intel, for example). The userland NEVER had to be GNU tools. So that leaves you...Linux as the fundamental part.

Anyways, I hate Linux and GNU: these days, I&#039;m on Mac OS X (never looked back) and FreeBSD - do have something like Grand Central Dispatch on Linux? Nope. Dtrace? Nope.  ZFS? Nope. Jails? Nope. Etc, etc, etc.)

Live with it, GNU sucks, Linux sucks (well, ok, not entirely ;-))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody&#8217;s having too much weed today&#8230;</p>
<p>Listen, the Stallman/GNU defence is: &#8220;oh, it was too hard [to take the Mach kernel and DO something with it&#8221;. And yet, Apple took it and &#8211; together with the FreeBSD userland stuff &#8211; made the best Unix out there for the end user.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear to me Stallman did not have the chops for his lofty goals. When GNU wrote GCC, the standard book was the Dragon book. ANYONE, today, can probably write the eraly GNU stuff.</p>
<p>And Linux is the OS, it&#8217;s not GNU. HEre I&#8217;ll prove it: even before LLVM came along, I saw people use other compilers (Intel, for example). The userland NEVER had to be GNU tools. So that leaves you&#8230;Linux as the fundamental part.</p>
<p>Anyways, I hate Linux and GNU: these days, I&#8217;m on Mac OS X (never looked back) and FreeBSD &#8211; do have something like Grand Central Dispatch on Linux? Nope. Dtrace? Nope.  ZFS? Nope. Jails? Nope. Etc, etc, etc.)</p>
<p>Live with it, GNU sucks, Linux sucks (well, ok, not entirely ;-))</p>
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		<title>By: What ever happend to the Hurd &#8211; The story of the GNU OS &#171; Martin Schaaf&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>What ever happend to the Hurd &#8211; The story of the GNU OS &#171; Martin Schaaf&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 14:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shut the f**k up, Terry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shut the f**k up, Terry.</p>
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		<title>By: The Story of the GNU Operating System &#124; Shwuzzle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Dec 2012 03:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Whatever happened to the GNU Hurd? &#124; My Blog</title>
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